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rdiakun
ParticipantI make claim to being the strange person who conjured up the “Line In The Dust” experience.
I’ve been listening to all of you other veggies in the salad, and I am quite impressed. First thought: “Wow… I need to get some of that nice expensive recording equipment and mixing software that y’all have.” Great job all around, starting with the Celtic touch on “Pastures” and all the way through. Very cool vocals on “Fun House”, Ben! I never thought of rocking out “Changes Made” like that – way cool. I really dug the version of “Look Out Any Window”, too.
Oh hell, both discs will live in my car stereo for awhile, so I’ll get very familiar with the whole thing in short order, and then I’ll love every tune, just like I came to quite quickly with “Shadow Hands”. Pat y’all’s bad old (and yet, not “nappy headed”) selfs on the back – job well done.
Rich
“Sickness will take the mind where minds can’t usually go.
Come on the Amazing Journey, and know all you should know.”rdiakun
ParticipantOne of the more prophetic lines from a “political song”… Here’s a lyric written in 1975 that fits in 2007….
“They’re building safer cars,
and rocket ships to Mars,
from men who’d sell us out
to get themselves a piece of power…”“Harry Truman”, by Robert Lamm of Chicago
Then, his political muse went on permanent vacation
Rich
PS I think this thread has spawned a couple of ideas for new discussion threads: “political songs” and “guilty pleasures” to name a few.
rdiakun
ParticipantNice rant, Victor. It sounds like you needed to get that off of your chest.
I felt the same during the Reagan years about how I wished Robert Lamm would write another “political” song. Lamm is the keyboarist and one of the principal songwriters for Chicago, and has written some very biting lyrics about the state of the world back in the laste 60s and early 70s, esp. “A Song For Richard And His Friends”, “Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is?”, “Questions 67 and 68”, “Someday, August 29, 1968”, “While The City Sleeps”, “Something In This City Changes People”, “Harry Truman”, and many others. I thought that success had sent his muse packing to a very nice and luxurious vacation somewhere, and that the 80s were a time where thinking Americans needed what he had once provided very desperately. Instead, he and his band fell under the spell of David Foster and started creating some very lovely “power ballads”, selling lots of copies of such deep political songs as “Hard To Say I’m Sorry”, “Stay The Night” and “Hard Habit To Break.” Thank God U2, REM, Bruce Hornsby, and the Phil Collins album with “Another Day In Paradise” happened to come along when they did — people with brains needed some lyrics to listen to. Lord know, Bobby Lamm took the train to the coast, and part of him left (maybe permanently) when Terry Kath died.
While love songs are awesome and meaningful, we need writers who can make an intelligent and powerful case for making the world a better place. We need the poets and bards and people willing to say “I am your leader, I am your guide” so that people can refind their direction.
Rich
rdiakun
ParticipantSince we’ve looked at this from a couple of directions, let’s try yet another tack on this…
Is the sad state of music our fault? Before diving all over this, consider that the so-called “baby boom” generation and several subsequent sub-generations are the first ones to whom the combination of technology and disposable income had been available enough to create and support the ungodly behemoth that has become the recording industry. Did we make it too important in our lives? Thus, as we get older, and the next set of generations comes along with other forms of entertainment to distract them, are we seeing the shift of the wave from “music with meaning in our lives” to something else that will take a central place in peoples’ lives? By other forms of entertainment, I include not only television, radio, video games, etc., but the old standards that have kept mankind going long before we had all of this technology: wars and other ways of proving Darwin right, all sorts of religiosity ranging from the quiet and personal to the in-your-face and coercive (if going into THAT realm, even in a seemingly oblique way, doesn’t get the banning stick, nothing will!!!), and even sports (which have taken on an almost religious tone over the past few decades). Anyhow, maybe it’s all a moot point. Music may just be experiencing a swing in the pendulum that will temporarily relegate it to background noise status until a new set of issues and poets and bards come along to swing it the other way. If such is the case, hey… we had a hell of a run, so let’s just enjoy what we hold dear to us and not worry about the poor misguided youth of the world. They’ll find their way in the world just like everyone else has before them.
I think that pretty much covers another side of this!!! I’d love to hear more thoughts before I consider this dead horse kicked.
Rich
rdiakun
ParticipantDavid sayeth unto us: << I've been silent on the musical state of the union on purpose. If I would communicate my true feelings, I would be hit by the infamous "banning stick"! >>
Not by me. If my guess is right, Si wants this to be as free and open a forum as possible. Personally, I would rather discuss a topic with someone that I don’t agree with (assuming that is the inferred case), because it makes me have to think and try to understand why i think the way I do. Bring it on. We’re all friends in here.
Rich
rdiakun
ParticipantWhen I was riding to the grocery store, I heard a song on the radio, which my wife immediately said she hated. So, I kept quite… my problem: In spite of all of the good music that I love, and the diversity of my record/tape/CD/MP3 collection, I have to admit that I have a really bad soft spot for late 60s/early 70s bubblegummy pop. The song on the radio was Elton John & Kiki Dee’s “Don’t Go Breaking My Heart”, which Lisa said was one of the most insipid songs she’d ever heard. My feelings, I sheepishly thought (of course, how DOES a sheep think – I may never know) that it was so disgustingly cute that it was sort of endearing. Then, I was in the supermarket, and The Cowsills’ “The Rain, The Park & Other Things” was on the in-store music, and I caught myself not only humming along with, but knowing the words (gasp!)!! I must admit that I own a copy of “The Archies’ Greatest Hits”, a couple of Partridge Family albums, and a couple of those hits collection albums on the K-Tel label with some absolutely unadulterated crap on them — and I actually like pulling them out every so often and listening to them.
I feel better. The more I muse about the state of pop music in the 21st Century, and ask questions about where it is or isn’t going, the more the tiny seed of guilt grows in the background. Having come clean, I can now resume my pseudo-highbrow inquiries into where the hell the good stuff is going to come from next.
My next driving concern? What song should I use for a mash-up that makes fun of some local radio stations? The Kinks’ “Around The Dial”, Reunion’s “Life Is A Rock”, or The Dads’ “Radio 101”? Any thoughts on this?
Thank you all for your indulgence.
Rich Diakun
rdiakun
ParticipantSex has always sold. That’s part of the phenomena of Sinatra and Elvis and The Beatles, just aimed toward the female of the species. What are the “hair metal” rock and roll poses with guitars if not phallic? And how many guys my age bought Carly Simon and Linda Rosntadt albums just because the photos on the jacket were hotter than anything we could buy at the time (since you had to be 18 to get a Playboy, and that was still many years off).
Rich
rdiakun
ParticipantMaybe what I was shooting for was not so much along the lines of “does today’s music suck?” or “is there anyone out there who’s as good as back in the day?” but “is there anyone out there who is making music important to the latest generation?” I think we can all agree that the initially cited cases (Benny Goodman, Frank Sinatra, Elvis Presley, The Beatles, The Bee Gees, Michael Jackson, and Madonna) all struck a chord with a significant enough segment of the youth of their time such that it made the listening to and the purchase of (whether it be albums or concert tickets or t-shirts or music books or whatever) music very important to them as they determined who and what they would be. In that vein, I dismiss the recent Brittney Spears and boy band phenomena, as we’ve always had the bubblegum scene aimed at “tweens”, which they quickly grow out of (i.e. The Archies, Banana Splits, Tiffany, Debbie Gibson, etc.). I see that music more as a toy than a legitimate artistic force in one’s life. Now THERES a sicsussion that would be fun — bubblegum “tween” music: art or toy?
On a scale a bit lower than those, I could cite a few other examples where this importance reared its’ head. In the early 70s, Chicago made it cool to be a trombone player in a high school band, and there were scores of music geeks who learned to write and arrange music because of the sketch scores books that they put out showing exactly what they were playing (other than Terry Kath’s solos). The late 70s punk movement made “the f word” an almost accepted part of the vernacular, and kids wanted to dress that way long after the Sex pistols self-destructed (in the truest of punk spirit) and the Clash gave in to commercial pressure and released “Combat Rock.” Heck, for most of us, Bruce Hornsby made being a piano player cool again, kinda like Jerry Lee Lewis and Little Richard and Paul McCartney and Rick Wakeman did before him. There was even a brief spell when the hip-hop scene made people want to wear tons of ugly jewelry and pants with no belt (originally because they took the belt out when you were in jail so you wouldn’t hang yourself). I think it’s safe to say that even Eminem is passe now, and Snoop Dogg is a parody of what he once was to a generation.
Is this current generation so self-absorbed with iPods and video games and cell phones, and so fractured with Satellite Radio and the extreme segmentation of radio formats, that there’s nobody that they want to follow or be like? Is music and the music culture just not important any more? Who do kids want to be like? This will tell us a lot about how good a job we did or didn’t do raising them.
Rich
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