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Will_S
ParticipantI like the site the way it is, however I am with Allisa in that it would be cool to have all shows played/scheduled listed on the setlist page, even if there is no actual setlist available.
It might also be nice to have a setlists forum, where people can post partial/tentative setlists for new shows, and suggest corrections to existing setlists, so that there can be a sort of peer review/collaborative effort on determining the setlist for a show before it goes up. This way the setlists are more likely to be 100% accurate, but there’s less work for you in terms of having to deal with emailed corrections from one person at a time to setlists you’ve already posted.
Will_S
ParticipantNot mine…and only a single ticket…but I saw an advertisement for row D, seat 38 (just right of center) on the norcal etree list. Let me know if you’d like me to forward the info.
Will_S
ParticipantWill_S wrote:FWIW…About a week ago I emailed Melissa at Bruce’s office, asking about the taping policy for the upcoming solo shows in January and February, and explicitly mentioning knowing people who had been shut down in October and November. Her response, just in today:Hi, Will. As long as the venue allows it, you may tape. However, there are no board patches.
Thanks,
MelissaAnd yet, when I asked Palace of Fine Arts staff, the event promoter told me no taping on the solo tour.
Oh well, it will be kind of fun watching a show without worrying about running my rig.
Will_S
ParticipantBump…still looking for Reconstruction 3/21/79. I’m sure I can make it worth your while….
Will_S
Participantmpaii wrote:I’m looking for a version of “Standing on the Moon” that was not interrupted by the disrespect of the crowd. The song posted onthe Daily Dose was great, but some jerks were laughing and Bruce had to stop playing halfway through the song.Buy the official release of Dec 3 2005 from http://www.brucehornsbylive.com
Will_S
ParticipantFWIW…About a week ago I emailed Melissa at Bruce’s office, asking about the taping policy for the upcoming solo shows in January and February, and explicitly mentioning knowing people who had been shut down in October and November. Her response, just in today:
Hi, Will. As long as the venue allows it, you may tape. However, there are no board patches.
Thanks,
MelissaWill_S
ParticipantFWIW…About a week ago I emailed Melissa at Bruce’s office, asking about the taping policy for the upcoming solo shows in January and February, and explicitly mentioning knowing people who had been shut down in October and November. Her response, just in today:
Hi, Will. As long as the venue allows it, you may tape. However, there are no board patches.
Thanks,
MelissaWill_S
Participantsi_twining wrote:Just as a funny aside, even if I had decided to tape this show, I happened to be sitting beside a guy from Columbia Records… so I decided it wasn’t worth the hassle!Would have just added to the fun for me!
Seriously, I’m not too concerned with what the venue or record company wants in terms of recordings I make for my own use only, but knowing Bruce himself didn’t want shows taped would give me pause. I read this on a taper board, does it jive with what you’ve heard from Bruce?
i did ask the crew about the taping situation. wayne said something along the lines of bruce being tired of hearing tapes, and didn’t seem to want captures from the aud out for these shows. he said something about the shows really being in bruce’s head onstage and he didn’t want to hear the sound from out in the crowd. i kinda followed him, but didn’t really get it. but it is what it is.
November 6, 2006 at 8:15 pm in reply to: [BT] Bruce Hornsby Solo 11-04-06~Richmond, Va~Schoeps mk41 #27147Will_S
ParticipantThanks phishy12!
That’s a nice compact rig. Any hassles getting it through the door or set up?
Will_S
ParticipantGood luck (seriously). If you’re using the internal mics on the Zoom, make sure you elevate it as high as you can, assuming open taping is ok. Aslo be prepared for the record light to seem pretty bright in a darkened room.
From what I’ve heard the internal mics on the Zoom sound better than built in mics in a $300 recorder have any right to. And with the XLR inputs and phantom power options, you’re set for a while if you choose to upgrade the mics down the road.
Bear in mind that the Zoom doesn’t officially support 4 gig cards but the Transcend 4 GB will work. The headers will get screwed up if you let any single file exceed 2 GB though. You can fix that later with a hex editor but it’s a PITA.
Quote:I’ll be sure not to let YOU have a listen…🙄 Don’t worry about little ol’ me, I have enough to listen to.
Will_S
ParticipantPianoManKD wrote:I’m in….I also hope that someone records this show…there are NO SOLO shows available on etree….should i look someone else? I’m really annoyed I’ve heard no shows from this tour….
Simple solution, really.
1. Buy hundreds (or better yet, thousands) of dollars worth of equipment.
2. Learn how to use it.
2a. In the dark. Avoiding dection by the ushers if needed.
3. Buy some prime tickets. Be sure to choose your seats on the basis of sound, not the view.
3a. Also factor in things like how likely are you to have chatty neighbors, will people be walking back and forth in front of you, will you be near a wastebin, etc…basically think about the hundreds of things going on at a show that could affect your recording.
3b. Are you going with a friend or significant other? Make sure they are happy to sit dead silent and have no interaction with you for the duration of the show.
4. Given your seat location, figure out the best microphone type and configuration to use. You did choose the correct microphone type in step 1, didn’t you?
5. Depending on venue rules and other restrictions, bring in your gear undetected.
6. Set up, again possibly needing to do so undetected. Also be sure you won’t infringe on the enjoyment of your neighbors.
7. Hmm, looks like Bruce decided to play one straight set with no break. You did chose to record to a medium with enough storage space and/or can swap tapes/discs in the dark at just the right time to not miss any music or entertaining banter, right?
7a. And you checked and will have adequate battery life, right? Although you may start sweating bullets when he launches into that second encore.
8. OK, show’s over, you’re almost home free. Once you’ve dealt with the swarm of people who spotted your mic stand and want to know when the show will be on etree or what your address is so they can send you blanks and postage, or set up a trade for their one 5th generation casette recording of an unidentified 1993 show they know you really really have to get.
9. Now it’s time to transfer the show to your hard drive, track it out, and make other edits as appropriate.
10. Now that you’ve made your FLACs, you have decompressed them and listened very carefully to every second of each track to spot any potential glitches, right?
11. Excellent. Now all that’s left to do is seed your recording. You can leave your computer on 24/7, right? And you don’t mind having most of your bandwidth sucked up for several days, right? Don’t even think of trying to download another torrent in the meantime or your seed will crawl along.Hmmm, maybe not so simple, but it beats just sitting around being annoyed.
Edit to add: Unless/until the recent changes in taping policy are clarified, I would NOT recommend that anyone torrent or publicly distribute a recording made without explicit permission from Bruce. But the obvious solution to a lack of recordings is to make your own, and distribute if/when appropriate.
Will_S
ParticipantHmmm, I agree taping is a privilege but I know I’ve taped solo shows in the past without incident.
That said, it looks like the best policy is of course to follow the official policy and call the venue beforehand and ask for permission, every time. Hopefully then they will at least know whether taping will be allowed that night, whether by their own choice or Bruce’s.
This wil avoid unfortunate incidents like I know happened with some people who showed up at the Portland venue (historically taping friendly so they were expecting no problems) who were then told to put their $$$ equipment in coat check or lock it in their car. Not fun.
Will_S
ParticipantActually, no.
It explicitly says to contact the venue in advance. And if they say no, the no stands.
Aside from which, an artist is free to change their policy without updating the website promplty. Inconvenient for the taper, but we don’t control things.
Will_S
ParticipantThis is all very strange. The 2002 Villa Montalvo shows were being videotaped for the DirecTV production and yet open taping was allowed. Wayne’s had his Powerbook there making a multitrack recording of every show I’ve been to since at least 2001 and yet taping was allowed.
I sent an email to the official “Contact Us” link on Bruce’s website asking if there had been a change in taping policy and got this reply:
“Dear Will,
There are no board patches, but you may record as long as the venue does not ban it.
Thanks for writing,
Melissa”*sigh*
I’d be interested to hear what clarification you can get, Si.
Will_S
ParticipantGuinnessGoon wrote:Oh yeah man, I know what date you want. I checked 45 of my 50 disc spindles of my shows from the 70’s and have not come accrossed it yet. I have the cassette but it isn’t worth copying from. I have many more spindles I can rummage through when I get back in town from being on the road with Ratdog. I will keep looking for you and let you know when I find it. In the mean time keep checking furthur because that is where I got mine.Hey, thanks for looking and I’ll keep checking Furthurnet now and then. A copy of the casette (or loan of the “master”) would be better than nothing though, if you can swing that, I have a few audio restoration tools that might be able to do something with it. If you can get a copy of the casette on disc, it would be great if you included 2-3 seconds of just tape hiss from the lead out or something.
Thanks,
WillPS continuing with the off topic theme, check out my latest addition to the archive:
Will_S
ParticipantWho knows…I put in an email to management via the official site asking for clarification.
While being able to openly record Bruce’s performances is indeed a great privilege, I really doubt that allowing live taping has any financial cost for Bruce whatsoever. All the traders I know already own all of his official releases and buy the new ones as soon as they come out.
If anything, having good quality live tapes out there increases his audience and his number of potential purchasers. A non-trivial fraction of Bruce’s fans (myself included) are longtime Deadheads who got turned onto his music via live recordings of the Dead from when they played together, which led them to seek out recordings and then the real thing down the road.
If munckmusic started releasing EVERY show, in a timely fashion, and with nothing cut out, I’d give up taping Bruce in a heartbeat. Until then I really hope it doesn’t get taken away.
Will_S
ParticipantNow I see Feb 3 in San Francisco and Feb 5 in Bend, OR. Someone’s got to have the scoop, what kind of shows will these be?
Will_S
ParticipantGuinnessGoon wrote:Hey Will, that was actually my first Reconstruction recording. Although, when I first received it from a friend it was labled JGB. It wasn’t until two or three years ago when I downloaded it from Furthur that I noticed that it was already in my collection but mislabled. So far, I can’t find my tape, but I’ll look around throughout my discs in my collection. It might even still be on Furthur.
I’ll pm you when I find it. I should have time this weekend.Just to clarify..you are talking about 3/21 and not 3/30, right? If so, THANKS!!! and keep me posted. I’ll check into Furthurnet as well.
Thanks for the tip on 3/30, but this is a birthday present for someone born on that exact day, so I really need 3/21. Of course, I could always label 3/30 as 3/21 but that would wipe out my taper karma I’m sure. 😈
Will_S
ParticipantSorry guys, I don’t have Sirius, but hopefully somebody does and will post it.
Will_S
ParticipantSs best I can recall, my first concert attended was the Smothers Brothers, if you can really call that a concert. I also recall my parents taking me to see a fairly well regarded piano player (not Bruce) though I forget who.
My first concert without my parents along was a show by the Grateful Dead.
Will_S
ParticipantDavid Day wrote:If you think about it, outdoor concerts do not have good acustics!Sorry, but this is simply not true. Outdoor venues are far less likely to have problems with standing waves, and the resulting uneven bass response with some parts of the venue getting way too much bass and others getting far too little at certain frequencies.
Quote:The “bottom line” is this. A true fan, I mean a true fan, will support Bruce no matter where he plays!What is a “true fan”? Who gets to decide on the definition?
Will_S
ParticipantDavid Day wrote:If you think about it, outdoor concerts do not have good acustics!Sorry, but this is simply not true. Outdoor venues are far less likely to have problems with standing waves, and the resulting uneven bass response with some parts of the venue getting way too much bass and others getting far too little at certain frequencies.
Quote:The “bottom line” is this. A true fan, I mean a true fan, will support Bruce no matter where he plays!What is a “true fan”? Who gets to decide on the definition?
Will_S
Participantsi_twining wrote:A couple of things I learnt – Bruce has no control over the opening act, or even whether there is one.At this and some other venues, perhaps. I know that the Mountain Winery in Saratoga and Koncti Har bor in Kelseyville have specifically accomodated his request for not having an opening act, in order to play longer. This seems to confuse the crowd at the Mountain Winery, who consistently show up late. 🙄
Perhaps Bruce should avoid booking shows at unacommodating venues in the future.
Will_S
ParticipantHmmm, yes and no. The music is the main thing for me, but we ARE paying customers. If for whatever reason someone doesn’t think a concert experience was worth the price, they have every righ not to go back. I’d go see Bruce anywhere within my travel range but for an artist I’m on the fence about paying to see, I won’t go see them at a venue I don’t like the sound of.
Will_S
ParticipantHmmm, yes and no. The music is the main thing for me, but we ARE paying customers. If for whatever reason someone doesn’t think a concert experience was worth the price, they have every righ not to go back. I’d go see Bruce anywhere within my travel range but for an artist I’m on the fence about paying to see, I won’t go see them at a venue I don’t like the sound of.
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